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Used S23/25 reviewed in August Motorboat Owner

by BruceK » 03 Aug 2017, 08:50

Ianfs wrote:
It is indeed down to what people can afford both in initial cost and later running costs/quote]

Indeed, and this is also why some buy small SportsBoats with Cabby Cabins. They provide great speed with occasional comfort.



mmmm. Speed is relative. I am not fast at a cruising speed of 27 knts but I am a helluva lot faster than most 18 foot speed merchants who top out in the river at twice that speed as soon as we leave the channel and head into open water and a short chop of about 1m. I've been on the river at 50 knts and if you want thrills then doing half that in a roaring F8 and 2m standing swells through the bar provides much more thrill. Or half that again in a head sea when the face is so steep you dont ride over the wave but through it. Honest :D





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by Bigplumbs » 03 Aug 2017, 10:00

BruceK wrote:This is very subjective but I dont really buy the "What you can afford" argument being a size restricter. My budget was the same. My running costs are more admittedly and I pump money into the boat in upgrades and refurbishments (but by choice it must be said) but I did buy my boat for 25k. Dont get hung up on age, just get hung up on quality and condition. As I said previously, there were some really superb boats in this class made in the 80's and early 90's that have stood up to time and have been well cared for, just takes a little searching. They have also reached a point where they will not really depreciate further and are reasonably easy to shift especially a few that are finding a retro demand like the Offshores and Portafinos. The quality of work and materials in some of these earlier boats is remarkable in juxtaposition to the more recent entry level offerings and dare I say, will probably as a result last longer. But it is subjective. I have never bought a new car either. The idea of haemorrhaging money in depreciation is an anathema to me.


My what I can afford and what I want the boat for are as follows:

1) Small enough to fit on my swing mooring which is in an excellent position and cost £95 per year (25ft is about the max)
2) Only one engine to keep servicing and other costs down
3) Must be trailable so as to bring home in closed season. This with 1 above will save over £2000 a year
4) Would like to take it around and about from time to time
5) Want to move up from cuddy to have proper toilet and sleeping etc
6) 90 % of the time there will only be 2 of us on board with a little dog
7) Holds its value reasonably
8) Diesel engine as this will reduce fuel bills greatly (for several reasons some because of circumstances)

Anything over 25-26 foot blows almost all of these criteria out of the water.

The S23/25 and some others fit this criteria very well

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by BruceK » 03 Aug 2017, 10:24

Fair enough. I'll lay odd though (without being patronising) given your history of stepping up in size rapidly, that once you have tasted cruising your parameters will change hugely and that at the moment you are thinking what more do I want from a speed boat which will change to what more do I want from a cruiser once you have had a bite of that apple. Good luck in your search either way though :)
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by Bigplumbs » 03 Aug 2017, 10:30

BruceK wrote:Fair enough. I'll lay odd though (without being patronising) given your history of stepping up in size rapidly, that once you have tasted cruising your parameters will change hugely and that at the moment you are thinking what more do I want from a speed boat which will change to what more do I want from a cruiser once you have had a bite of that apple. Good luck in your search either way though :)


That may be the case and if it is and I can afford the move up hopefully the 25 footer I buy will not loose too much value.

I am not sure you are correct though as we love the Fletcher 19 GTS but just want a toilet and proper bed and a place to sit etc.

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by BruceK » 03 Aug 2017, 10:56

I get it I really do. I have been through the ropes having started out with a 19 foot Sea Ray cuddy not dissimilar to your Fletcher. To be fair I have 2 small kids and one part time adult kid to consider and started out looking in the 25 -27 foot range much like you when scaling up. I landed lucky but have the luxury of being able to look back now with hindsight and realise just how fortuitous it was. We struggled with the chemical portaloo and it was the bane of our existence on the water as the wife really didn't like it. We had enormous fun in the cuddy. She was a great boat but I could never go back now. That doesn't lessen what she was or the fun we had in her but after just standing in the driveway for a year I realised I was never actually going to use her again.

(I'd love to post some images up but Fotofuckit is holding me to ransom so a vid instead)



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by Bigplumbs » 03 Aug 2017, 11:29

Lovely area to boat in also. I have a reasonable area but not nearly as much lovely scenery as you

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by Ianfs » 03 Aug 2017, 12:49

Must be trailable so as to bring home in closed season.


Apologies Dennis, I'd forgotten this when I mentioned the Jeanneau 805.

Further to the discussion about AD31's and KAD32's, there are advantages with both. For example the AD31 doesn't have a supercharger/Kompressor, so you don't get the clutch issue. That is, the supercharger on KAD engines is engaged at about 12-1400 rpm and disengages at about 2,500 rpm and it is advised not to run it continuously. Consequently if you are happy at either 6-8knts or over 25knts the KAD32 is a great engine, but if you want to cruise constantly in between then I would guess it is worth considering an AD31. The Volvo D4 on the other hand has 4valves per cylinder and has common rail fuel injection, plus a fresh water cooled turbo, but I think no supercharger, so this would be my choice, if it was the right price.
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by BruceK » 03 Aug 2017, 13:18

Dont forget the early D4's didn't have the best of reputations with injector, shift, steering, raw water and outdrive issues and the engine was significantly revamped in later editions of the model. In so saying so were my KAD42A's evolving through to 44's and I have had no real issue with them so rep can be highly stigmatised
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by BruceK » 04 Aug 2017, 11:27

GA, just realised I was refering to D3 and not D4 when making previous comment. Early D3 had the issues.
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by Ianfs » 04 Aug 2017, 18:04

Yes, you are right.

I understand the earlier D3 160's had issues which were reported as a Generic Turbo Blade Movement issue, if not revved up enough. Consequently Volvo, stopped making the D3 160's.

One of the reasons ....(D3 160's).....I have not bought a boat yet, some studding examples available.
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